Raptors and Heat complete sign-and-trade
Bosh Sign and Trade completed
According to Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun Sentinel the Chris Bosh to Miami sign and trade has all but been worked out. They have reportedly agreed to the framework of a deal that will land Bosh a 6th year and an extra $18-$20 million and will net the Raptors a massive $16 million dollar trade exception, our 1st round pick we traded to Miami in the Shawn Marion deal, and a the Miami Heat’s 2011 1st round pick.
This gives the Toronto Raptors a lot of options and the ability to go look for a deal now, or to wait until the trade deadline when non-playoff teams will likely be in a salary dump frenzy in lieu of the new collective bargaining agreement.
There are literally tons of players who teams are looking to dump including: Andre Iguodala, Monta Ellis, Gilbert Arenas, Tyson Chandler, Peja Stojakovic, Emeka Okafor, Luol Deng, Michael Redd, Elton Brand and Andre Kirilenko.
Other names that are rumoured to be available include: Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Darren Collison, Ben Gordon, Tayshaun Prince, Richard Hamilton, Charlie Villanueva, T.J Ford, Hasheem Thabeet, Baron Davis and Andris Biedrins.
It will be interesting to see what Bryan Colangelo will do with this sudden flexibility we have been given. This deal also ensures we do not lose a high lottery pick like the Toronto Maple Leafs did this year.
If I had to rank a top five list of targets the Raptors should go after the list would look like this:
1. Chris Paul (not available, just call anyways)
2. Josh Smith
3. Darren Collison
4. Monta Ellis
5. Andre Igoudola
6. Al Jefferson
7. Emeka Okafor
8. Gilbert Arenas (no chance Colangelo takes him after refusing Beasley)
9. Elton Brand
10. Ben Gordon
If Josh Smith is really available he would be an ideal fit and would bring the ACC to its feet every night with his presence on both the offensive and defensive ends. Darren Collison has the tools to be our potential franchise point guard. Monta Ellis is a terrific scorer. Iggy can score, rebound and play D. AJ is a beast down-low and can rebound with the best of them. Okafor is a defensive lynch-pin and can anchor a defense. Arenas has 28 and 6 potential. Brand has 20-10 upside. And Ben Gordon can flat-out score and hit the big shot. All would be fine additions.
Lets judge Bryan Colangelo after this summer is over and the trade exception put to use, otherwise we are judging and critiquing prematurely.
The Picks
Getting back our pick for 2011 is perhaps an understated part of this trade, as many seemed to be zeroed in on what we can do with the trade exception. As the Raptors are still looking for a PG, Raptor fans would be happy to know that there are currently as much as 5 point guards ranked in the top 25 prospects for next year so we may be able to find a solution next year. We will likely be a lottery team or if not a 7th or 8th seed so the chances are next year will be the 1st year we have drafted a point guard in the 1st round since Damon Stoudamire.
The names to remember are Josh Selby, Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight, Malcom Lee and Kemba Walker.
As a team that just lost its best player the draft, and a team with many exciting young players the draft is the ideal way to build this team back to contender level.
The pick we get from the Heat is also of great importance, it will likely be the 30th overall pick but a lot of interesting names went in the 2nd round this year including Devin Ebanks, DeSean Butler, Hassan Whiteside, Armon Johnson, Lance Stephenson, Solomon Alabi, Dexter Pittman and Willie Warren….all arguable first-round talents.
I just want to forewarn fans, the pick we acquired from Miami may already be in play in trade discussions, so dont be surprised if the Raptors use it as an asset in one form or another.
Raju Byfield is a Senior Sports Writer for Raptors Digest.
Raju Byfield also writes for Win My Fantasy League as a Senior Sports Writer/Fantasy Sports Analyst.
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Realistically I would prefer the order to be:
1) Josh Smith
2) Darren Collison
3) Andre Iguodala
4) Emeka Okafor
5) Gilbert Arenas
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The best combination for the TPE would be Darren Collison and Andris Biedrin/Marcin Gortat. We get a young possible all star PG and defensive minded/tough 24-26 year old C. Cheers!
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[...] Raptors Digest Getting back our pick for 2011 is perhaps an understated part of this trade, as many seemed to be zeroed in on what we can do with the trade exception. As the Raptors are still looking for a PG, Raptor fans would be happy to know that there are currently as much as 5 point guards ranked in the top 25 prospects for next year so we may be able to find a solution next year. We will likely be a lottery team or if not a 7th or 8th seed so the chances are next year will be the 1st year we have drafted a point guard in the 1st round since Damon Stoudamire. The names to remember are Josh Selby, Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight, Malcom Lee and Kemba Walker. [...]
[...] Raptors Digest Getting back our pick for 2011 is perhaps an understated part of this trade, as many seemed to be zeroed in on what we can do with the trade exception. As the Raptors are still looking for a PG, Raptor fans would be happy to know that there are currently as much as 5 point guards ranked in the top 25 prospects for next year so we may be able to find a solution next year. We will likely be a lottery team or if not a 7th or 8th seed so the chances are next year will be the 1st year we have drafted a point guard in the 1st round since Damon Stoudamire. The names to remember are Josh Selby, Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight, Malcom Lee and Kemba Walker. [...]
The Raptors already signed a Euro. I hate Colangelo. he has definetely taken the fun out of basketball.
Colangelo is the highest paid loser. thats the Euro way.
Colangelo has the green light to lose year after year. He demand that Sam Mitchell be coach of the year to keep his job, only to show great confidence in a team and a coach that gets worst year after year. The euro way.
Its a sad day when the people who were bless with the skills to play ball cant because their jobs are being taken away by less talented less color ful euro frantic pride fanatics
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JK,
The order is debatable, but there is no denying there is potential for a big move
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JK,
Collison will ONLY be traded if Stojakovic or Okafor is attached
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R to the Izza
I will post my Kleiza article soon and tell me if you dont change you mind on HIM……all in all though I am all for purging our team of Euro’s
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@ R to the Izza,
I understand your frustration with European players but try to understand that not all Euro ballers are soft and less talented. I’ve mentioned Biedrins and Gortat because they are completely opposite to that and will bring toughness, energy and DEFENSE for a reasonable price. Same with Klieza, he actually grew up in the US and played college ball there. I have to say this is a good signing by BC. Getting a 25 year old tough minded SF that doesn’t shy away from contact. I can guarantee you that he will pleasantly surprise a lot of people.
@ Raju,
I agree with what you’re saying. I’ve thought about it and the only thing with signing another big man will place Amir Johnson as a reserve role and that will be one pricey bench player. I’m all for it if they can get a true C such as Greg Oden or Andrew Bynum which will unlikely happen (dreaming). If that’s the case with getting Collison would you still go with the trade that included Okafor? Remember we will have to trade a player or two and/or draft picks. The only Euro players I would keep on the Raptors would be Bargnani, Kleiza and Belinelli. I hope with extra playing time Belinelli would be more consistent and show what he’s got. He’s only 24 and has the ability to handle the ball, shoot the 3 with great passing ability; perfect for a role player. Will be looking forward to your article on Klieza!
Cheers!
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At least half of those players made me ill just thinking about the fact that the Raptors could waste their trade exception on them. Taking on a guy like Monta Ellis or Al Jefferson, unless the Raptors get a high pick or another young player, would be completely idiotic. The last thing the Raptors should do is try and find a replacement for Bosh. Unless it’s Chris Paul, the only thing trading for most of those guys is going to do is help the Raptors become a mediocre team….again.
What the Raptors need to do is wait and use their trade exception to pick up a draft pick or to or a young player. The focus now should be on developing for the future. Not grabbing someone who has either underperformed or who couldn’t help his old find success in order for him to do the same with the Raptors.
And I have to say the Euro-ranting has become embarrassing. The fact that there are European players on the roster is not the problem. The problem is that they are simply soft players who don’t do enough of the dirty work. I think ignorant fans would change their tune if the Raptors had a roster that included Pietrus, Kirilenko, Nene, Marc/Pau Gasol, Nicolas Batum, Gortat, Tony Parker, Ginobili, Scola, and if they did, they really have no business trying to discuss basketball.
Oh, and Linus Kleiza is as about as European as Kobe is. He played high school and college ball in the US.
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Raju aka RaptorCity Reply:
July 11th, 2010 at 12:15 am
JK,
Yes if it included Okafor I would still pull the trigger…Stojakovic no….
I am not anti Euro, French players are good, Marc Gasol is good, I just dont like the stereotypical soft Euro
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Raju aka RaptorCity Reply:
July 11th, 2010 at 12:22 am
Tim,
Every player listed could help add to the team….
Ellis is a #1 scorer, which we need
AJ is better than any big we have
I do not see how, contract notwithstanding, that these are idiotic moves, but understand your concerns
Yes, Kleiza went to Missouri and went to high school in the States but is Lithuanian nonetheless, intimating Kleiza is as European as Kobe is, is by your reasoning intimating that Solomon Alabi is ‘not African’ because he went to FSU and high school in the States as well…right
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The raptors so called ‘young guns’ are more future role players than young stars…outside of maybe Bargnani there’s no potential allstars in that group( excluding Davis and Alabi)…I read a lot of articles on the NBA and the only peolpe who seem excited for young player are local fans lol…There’s absloutely no buzz out there about our young guns and rightfully so….As for a point guard ?…are you kidding , we need a wing player , we can get pg anytime…we need to blow this up and put our hats into the Harrison Barnes sweepstakes….that’s the only way we can acquire a franchise player…why trade for other teams problems just to be a 7-10 seed ?….Chicago , Houston, OKC etc all acquired real young guns thru the draft by stinking for a few yrs…why can’t Toronto ?…basketball won’t die up here because of tanking for 3 yrs or so
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Raju aka RaptorCity Reply:
July 11th, 2010 at 4:21 am
Hey Dennis,
You are right, Amir and Sonny are at best great role players not stars….DeRozan on the otherhand has the potential…he could arguably make it his year if we made him our number one option
Yes, it is rue the young guns buzz is limited to Raptors fans but what we have in them is a young core of players who are committed to give 100% effort and to continue to improve their games
Barnes would be great but tanking is not the answer….the way the East is looking now without any roster changes we will be a lottery team anyways….
We definitely need a point guard over a wing, starting calibre point guards go alot earlier in drafts…you can get wings all the way to the end of the 1st round. Take a look at this years list of quality young wings that went outside the lottery.
There are still a lot of moves to be made so we will have to see what Colangelo has in store before deciding that it is time to ‘blow it up’
In my mind Davis and DeRozan equal a solid core…add Bargnani to that and you understand why we are not going through a complete rebuild…we already have our young talent to rebuild with, we are just missing the 1.
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Raju,
Why do the Raptors need to import a #1 scorer, especially one who is an undersized SG who would take minutes away from young players that need minutes to develop and that is a very inefficient scorer? The Raptors don’t need to import a scorer to step into Bosh’s roll. They need to develop the scorers they have now.
Al Jefferson is better than anyone the Raptors have now, plays a position that the Raptors are fully stocked at, and would take minutes away from young players who need to develop and plays horrible defense.
All the players listed have very large flaws that would end up hurting the Raptors far more than it would help them. Guys like these are short term bandaids that not only do not address the long term focus, but actually harm it.
Kobe spent from age 6 to age 12 in Italy, yet no one talks about him being a Euro. I’m not saying that Kleiza is not Lithuanian, but his game is as American as Kobe’s, and lumping him into the same category as players who spent their formative years in Europe makes about as much sense as calling Kobe Italian.
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Raju aka RaptorCity Reply:
July 11th, 2010 at 4:27 am
Tim,
I agree, if we are ready to hand the keys over to DeRozan I would pass on Ellis. Otherwise Ellis is still a 25 ppg scorer and the impact of a player like that cannot be discounted…he would have a field day in the East at either the point or SG….and we can slide DeRozan to SF if needed
I would rather have AJ over Bargnani and I am and have always been a strong trade Bargnani proponent, I would never not do a deal based on Bargs….he is probably our most valuable trade piece and if we could land AJ I would ship Bargs for a scoring wing or even a lottery pick…I would swap him for George or Henry right now…but I have been anti-Bargnani since we got him (will always lament on passing on Aldridge and Gay (since we did not consider Rondo or Roy))
None of the players listed are perfect, but all can bring something needed to the Raptors and some are better fits than others, yes
What do you propose we do with the TPE?
We will agree to disagree on Linas-Kobe-Solomon parallels
Also an FYI for future, Argentina is in South America (Ginobli, Scola)
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[...] Raptors Digest » Raptors and Heat complete sign-and-trade – Getting back our pick for 2011 is perhaps an understated part of this trade, as many seemed to be zeroed in on what we can do with the trade exception. As the Raptors are still looking for a PG, Raptor fans would be happy to know that there are currently as much as 5 point guards ranked in the top 25 prospects for next year so we may be able to find a solution next year. We will likely be a lottery team or if not a 7th or 8th seed so the chances are next year will be the 1st year we have drafted a point guard in the 1st round since Damon Stoudamire.<br /> The names to remember are Josh Selby, Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight, Malcom Lee and Kemba Walker. [...]
I think if you grab a guy like Ellis, you’re pretty much dooming your team to mediocrity. You don’t necessarily have to be handing the keys to DeRozan, but if your focus is on the development of the young players, then adding Ellis would hurt that. And Ellis is a 25 ppg scorer on a bad team. I don’t see him having any role on a good team except maybe as a third guard off the bench.
And this is something I’ve said elsewhere, but I’ll say it again, while Jefferson may be better than Bargnani, ghoneria is better than syphilis, but I’d rather not have either.
The Raptors are in a position, at the moment, where they don’t need to make any quick deals that will help immediately. The best thing they can do is have patience and take their time. Find the right pieces and don’t settle for something that is quite right.
What I would do with the trade exception is wait and see what presents itself. I wouldn’t use it on any overpriced and flawed players who aren’t wanted by their current team, unless they are secondary to a first round pick or young player. That should be the focus. Any attempt to grab a player that will help the team immediately win more games and try and vie for a playoff spot goes against the goal, which the the long term building of a contender. If you’re going to ry and hedge your bets, then you’ve already failed.
And yes, I know Argentina is in South America, but most fans clump South American players and European players together. Russia isn’t part of Europe, but I’ve never heard Kirilenko referred to as anything but a European player rather than an Asian one.
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Raju aka RaptorCity Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 3:02 am
Tim W,
Good points…and I guess AJ is now out of the question anyways
It would be wise to move for a pick first if taking on a so-called bad contract
People who clump Argentina and Russia with Europe obviously don’t know what they are talking about or are plain ignorant
Patience is tough, but as you suggested may be the best course of action
Thanks for your comments and insights I always enjoy reading them
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